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PostPosted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 8:14 pm 

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This is a copy & paste from a conversation on skype earlier.


You only gain new work hours produced, and therefore faster research gained, when you hire a new scientist. Therefore your rate of increase is decided by how quickly you hire new scientists. However, the rate of hire is generally constant, so the true way to get bigger faster is to CONSTANTLY be hiring.

You can hire while expanding and working at 50%.

So, the most expensive, and efficient route to expansion is as follows:
Step one - expand and maintain salary. (Assuming you're fully staffed)
Step two - immediately do an expansion at 50/50 work while expanding. Set this expansion rather small
Step three - repeat step 2.

You can only hire up to the "old" construction size. EG if you have a 10k R&D center and do a 5k expansion while working, you'll only hire up to 100 employees and not 150. So, your objective in step two is to have the expansion finish when your total employees is almost full. Then the construction finishes and you're allowed to hire more while you start another expansion.

If you know the base rate of hiring speed, which has a random variable thrown in, you can guess the amount of time you can go down for an expansion in order to not stop hiring. Or you can guess by starting with very small expansions and trying larger ones until you find a good size.

But its REALLY expensive to do it that way. You pay the same for 1/2 the work.

*I'm 99% certain that the rate of hire is the same while working and expanding as it is while just working.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:07 am 

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Okay I'll try the math at this


EDIT: I couldn't :P

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:13 pm 

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There's no math for it :) I've been testing and tracking numbers for over a month at this point.

While, as Committed to Excellence has stated, there is a random variable in hiring, my control group of R&D hiring without expanding and my R&D expanding while working both hire at the same rate.


Since my 40k rnd center with 10 employees puts out the same work hours as a 1k rnd center with 10 employees, size doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is hiring, which happens over time. That makes the above plan the most effective - its true that you don't get full potential from your employees, but you weren't going to get that anyway unless you decide to never expand again. Therefore the constant hiring equals the fastest route to more work hours.

I've also tested hiring rate between ft2 differences. An empty 2k, 80k, and 150k rnd center all hired at the same rate.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:28 am 

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I have been expanding my centers in light if your theory. Thanks lake :dance:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:29 pm 

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Hey Lake, in your research on R&D hiring, have you found any factors which are involved in hiring?

For instance, are more employees hired when there is more space to hire employees?

For instance, if I have a 2kft2 R&D center and a 200kft2 R&D center, both with 10 employees, will the 200k hire new employees faster than the 2k?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 12:48 am 

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I've also tested hiring rate between ft2 differences. An empty 2k, 80k, and 150k rnd center all hired at the same rate.


That was the only experiment I did with your question. Wage & available ft2 don't seem to be factors.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 1:31 am 

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So it is literally random?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 9:04 pm 

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APCE Production wrote:
So it is literally random?


Probably.
I suppose its like that in Real life as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:17 pm 

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Hiring, in real life, is anything but random :).

Pay scale, fame, advertising, brand image, current employee happiness, training materials, interview etiquette, and many other factors come to mind :)

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:15 am 

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With the dev's recent comment, this thread is no longer correct.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 9:40 am 

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Tanganyika wrote:
With the dev's recent comment, this thread is no longer correct.

Which comment?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:06 pm 

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Vaculus wrote:
Tanganyika wrote:
With the dev's recent comment, this thread is no longer correct.

Which comment?

Amarsir wrote:
"Our hiring code is intentionally made to be bursty. It simulates that employees come when they come, and you can't control that smoothly. Here's the actual calculation:
What you're seeing is random numbers and superstition."



Lol... Superstition=Logic divided by Desperation

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:10 pm 

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Jimmi wrote:
Vaculus wrote:
Tanganyika wrote:
With the dev's recent comment, this thread is no longer correct.

Which comment?

Amarsir wrote:
"Our hiring code is intentionally made to be bursty. It simulates that employees come when they come, and you can't control that smoothly. Here's the actual calculation:
What you're seeing is random numbers and superstition."



Lol... Superstition=Logic divided by Desperation

Isn't constantly hiring still better? Since the hiring rate is random anyway.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 2:52 pm 

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My estimate is that since the number of people you hire is related to how many open slots you have, the further ahead you can get will result in quickest research growth. If your building has 500ft2 of space without employees you will hire slower than if you have 10,000ft2 of space. So basically just never stop expanding and leave it on 50/50.

Sadly in the past few days my buildings have still been only hiring 1 person every 6 hours or so. The PRNG does not love me =-)


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