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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2015 11:47 pm 

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parkjongwon1 wrote:
Recently, I heard that cow growing businessman changed to retailing business because of this new update. I won't tell the name, anonymous :incog: .

I have a solution, but I don't know if this is a good or a bad idea.

You need to change the price limit for wholesale stuff FAST, many people are moving from producing to retailing. The balance will collapse! :help:


I am actually considering changing to retail.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:43 am 

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Southern wrote:
So I usually keep pretty quiet and try not to get involved to much in these things because I spend a good 15 plus hours a week playing this game already. But I am looking for a little more explanation on the new Wholesale system.

I usually send all my invoices out once a week. I arrange prices with all my buyers via a spreadsheet which is based off of IMU and gives me a certain percentage of ARP. Both parties are always accepting of these prices and it helps me maintain a platinum level account.

Today I log on to find out I will be losing 1M a UNIT. Not only that but one of my buyers buys a lot more at a time and im losing 45% of my normal profit! I think this is total BS. This game is slowly taking the free will out pretty soon I guess you gonna tell us when we have to send invoices out too?

My point is, If a retailer and a manufacturer agree upon a price thats fair to them both. Why is it such a damn problem? This is a business simulation game. If one company sucks ass at managing their own business and constantly pays too much for a product thats their own fault. No need to be limiting invoice transaction because there is a handful of players who cant figure out how to get their own head out their ass.

Anyway, Im pissed.

Southern

PS. The new invoice screen looks like spit and it takes forever. Simple is better I dont need you holding my hand one step to the next.

PPS. If your gonna put a maximum limit on wholesale you better damn do the same with retail. As of right now im locked selling LUX for over 8M and you frick telling me wholesale their only worth 1.6M MAX? spit


Im considering quiting or going to a standard account so I dont waste anymore money funding updates that puts a manufacturer into the red and allows retailers to do as they damn please.

By far the worst update since I started playing the game.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:06 am 

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Btw i just wanted to mention that everyone needs to come down a bit and step back. Your all getting cheaper inputs and that will lower your production costs. It's going to take a few months for users to move old inventories and burn thru the old pricing.

With in 6 months production prices will normalize and everyone will be making profits. Tickets will be coming down in price also.

Retail earnings will also be coming down with the future updates that will rain them in from saturating the markets and over pricing retailed goods.

All in all we knew this was coming and need as CEOs of our companies to best profit from this situation. I for one am not leaving manufacturing business but am expanding in it right now. I see a bright new future that has new and different opportunities.

And if you had not guessed. Imu prices will be updating.

-corban industries
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:14 am 

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Ubermacht wrote:
How long does it take for the system to adapt? Example if all players selling etools at the lowest price how long will it take for the system to adapt the current lowest as average?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:56 am 

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Committed wrote:
I'll look into you right now SimJim, thanks.

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Soap & Water, thank you for the screenshots. Allow me to walk you through this one.

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Union One is a Standard account. (Not gold.)
Union One has logged in from the same IP as you at least once recently.
Union One has SOLD ice cream from other players and now they're going to be buying it from you.

So as far as the system sees, Union One is a free account who sells Ice Cream and then somehow the Ice Cream comes back to him at a different price through a mysterious account on the same IP Address. That is the definition of round-trip cheating.

Now please understand that I am not saying that either you or Union One are cheating or have done anything wrong. I'll pass your case on to Amarsir to see if he wants to change the algorithm. However your behavior is very similar to what someone would do if they were trying to cheat. And we have for a definite certainty banned players from the game for doing just that that sort of round trip.

So to save you from being banned the system locked you in at a price that wouldn't be an advantage to you or Union One. You don't like the price. That's exactly why it was picked: because you should not be passing products to someone else who's just going to pass them on again at a different price. Especially on the same IP.

Now again, I'll ask Amarsir if this is how he really wants it to work. We may change it. But please understand that there's a very specific reason you got that price.


This concept is used for Rebranding and has nothing to do about cheating - also the price has widen within the last hour, so it can be sold at an acceptable pricing.
But still thinks that pricelimit is wrong and you are holding the game back.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:05 am 

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johans75 wrote:
Committed wrote:
I'll look into you right now SimJim, thanks.

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Soap & Water, thank you for the screenshots. Allow me to walk you through this one.

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Union One is a Standard account. (Not gold.)
Union One has logged in from the same IP as you at least once recently.
Union One has SOLD ice cream from other players and now they're going to be buying it from you.

So as far as the system sees, Union One is a free account who sells Ice Cream and then somehow the Ice Cream comes back to him at a different price through a mysterious account on the same IP Address. That is the definition of round-trip cheating.

Now please understand that I am not saying that either you or Union One are cheating or have done anything wrong. I'll pass your case on to Amarsir to see if he wants to change the algorithm. However your behavior is very similar to what someone would do if they were trying to cheat. And we have for a definite certainty banned players from the game for doing just that that sort of round trip.

So to save you from being banned the system locked you in at a price that wouldn't be an advantage to you or Union One. You don't like the price. That's exactly why it was picked: because you should not be passing products to someone else who's just going to pass them on again at a different price. Especially on the same IP.

Now again, I'll ask Amarsir if this is how he really wants it to work. We may change it. But please understand that there's a very specific reason you got that price.


This concept is used for Rebranding and has nothing to do about cheating - also the price has widen within the last hour, so it can be sold at an acceptable pricing.
But still thinks that pricelimit is wrong and you are holding the game back.
Actually what you were doing before this update was breaking the rules. As the devs have clearly said that you may only trade between your accounts if both are either gold or platinum. So what you were doing was cheating.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:48 am 

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Ubermacht wrote:
johans75 wrote:
Committed wrote:
I'll look into you right now SimJim, thanks.

---------------

Soap & Water, thank you for the screenshots. Allow me to walk you through this one.

Image

Union One is a Standard account. (Not gold.)
Union One has logged in from the same IP as you at least once recently.
Union One has SOLD ice cream from other players and now they're going to be buying it from you.

So as far as the system sees, Union One is a free account who sells Ice Cream and then somehow the Ice Cream comes back to him at a different price through a mysterious account on the same IP Address. That is the definition of round-trip cheating.

Now please understand that I am not saying that either you or Union One are cheating or have done anything wrong. I'll pass your case on to Amarsir to see if he wants to change the algorithm. However your behavior is very similar to what someone would do if they were trying to cheat. And we have for a definite certainty banned players from the game for doing just that that sort of round trip.

So to save you from being banned the system locked you in at a price that wouldn't be an advantage to you or Union One. You don't like the price. That's exactly why it was picked: because you should not be passing products to someone else who's just going to pass them on again at a different price. Especially on the same IP.

Now again, I'll ask Amarsir if this is how he really wants it to work. We may change it. But please understand that there's a very specific reason you got that price.


This concept is used for Rebranding and has nothing to do about cheating - also the price has widen within the last hour, so it can be sold at an acceptable pricing.
But still thinks that pricelimit is wrong and you are holding the game back.
Actually what you were doing before this update was breaking the rules. As the devs have clearly said that you may only trade between your accounts if both are either gold or platinum. So what you were doing was cheating.


Uber - do not point fingers when your hands are dirty yourself (MaskPunch Ltd).

But anyway - could we with this update have the chance to improve the TG experience, instead of pushing to "I make everything myself" policy. As it is not in any interest to shortcut any account.
Make the game interesting instead of forcing "God Complex" onto player. There is a reason why WoW is stll there after over 10 year.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:19 am 

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Where is Vaculus. You need to perform your duties.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:33 am 

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I try to sell to The Godfather.

Neither do I sell to the same IP address, even if I would do, both are gold.

Then too i can't, and loose approximately around 5k bucks (NOTE - not loosing profit, but making a LOSS) per unit.

Please explain.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 12:53 pm 

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ronak1996 wrote:

I try to sell to The Godfather.

Neither do I sell to the same IP address, even if I would do, both are gold.

Then too i can't, and loose approximately around 5k bucks (NOTE - not loosing profit, but making a LOSS) per unit.

Please explain.



Did you read the update?

You should know there are floors and ceilings now.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:03 pm 

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Uber - do not point fingers when your hands are dirty yourself (MaskPunch Ltd).

But anyway - could we with this update have the chance to improve the TG experience, instead of pushing to "I make everything myself" policy. As it is not in any interest to shortcut any account.
Make the game interesting instead of forcing "God Complex" onto player. There is a reason why WoW is stll there after over 10 year.
No my hands are clean. I got a second account yes which is allowed but I have never traded with ubermacht and mask until today which was legal as it is legal trading after this update.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 1:07 pm 

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but no in the case of build kits. Various persons have reported that they can sell at various limits.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 2:09 pm 

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A few questions about reselling and merging of Stacks. When this update started I had an old stack of Etool that I bought and merged them with a larger stack of Etools that I produced. When I tried to sell it I was only able to sell for a small profit. This brings up a couple questions.

Does say owning 1000 Bought items form x seller and then merging 100k of your own product.

Will the sales price be limited to the WH costs for entire stack? I.E. I sell 1000 then I sell the remaining 100k. Will both have required resale prices or will the second stack return to the original sales band?

If I keep adding to this stack without selling out. IE I use and sell but keep producing and adding to it. Will it always be limited to Resale prices?

Last thing is about Rebranding.

If I sell a retail product to another company and they rebrand it to their brand will they be able to recoup their expense and make a small profit if they sell it back to me?

Or will they be limited to resale prices when they sell it to another player?

In this same case. Player 1 buys from player 2,3, and 4 combines all the product under 1 brand. Will they be limited to resale prices?

That is all for now. I think.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:56 pm 

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Corban industries wrote:
Btw i just wanted to mention that everyone needs to come down a bit and step back. Your all getting cheaper inputs and that will lower your production costs. It's going to take a few months for users to move old inventories and burn thru the old pricing.

With in 6 months production prices will normalize and everyone will be making profits. Tickets will be coming down in price also.

Retail earnings will also be coming down with the future updates that will rain them in from saturating the markets and over pricing retailed goods.

All in all we knew this was coming and need as CEOs of our companies to best profit from this situation. I for one am not leaving manufacturing business but am expanding in it right now. I see a bright new future that has new and different opportunities.

And if you had not guessed. Imu prices will be updating.

-corban industries
IMU Founder



Ya. I (hope) don't think it will take 6 months for most of the past products/prices to work thru. Perhaps two weeks...

Corban industries wrote:
ronak1996 wrote:

I try to sell to The Godfather.

Neither do I sell to the same IP address, even if I would do, both are gold.

Then too i can't, and loose approximately around 5k bucks (NOTE - not loosing profit, but making a LOSS) per unit.

Please explain.



Did you read the update?

You should know there are floors and ceilings now.



So that explains all the bumped heads and skinned knees...

ronak1996 wrote:
Where is Vaculus. You need to perform your duties.


Haven't heard from Vac in a while... perhaps he's on holiday.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:48 pm 

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[quote="Amarsir"]

Look at this graph from the headline:

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So did some calculation from the graph.

Let say Top is 1000 and low is 1 - gving you a middle of 500
Now with the new algo top is Top is 750 and low is 250 (middle 500) - we then trade a lot (Not to go into to much detail) and the algo now moves TOP to 700 and Low to 200 (middle is now 450).

Is it then correct if all trades are done at 700 that the Top will move to ex. 800 or will it stay at 700????


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